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Charlie Rose, Chris Matthews Blame ‘Bully’ Trump Over Media Shake-Ups

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CHARLIE ROSE: What do you miss about your show?

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Being there–

ROSE: Hardball.

MATTHEWS: Oh, it’s easy, it’s easy when– when– when there was something hot going on. I love the fact that it was on at five, and sometimes at seven. Initially, I thought five was the best and still do. Five o’clock is when people get their first peek at the day’s news. It’s– it’s just happened. All the people going home from work or they’ve said what they’re gonna say, and you get the first pop at five. I always thought that was great.

I didn’t have to do features like, you know, like other people do later in the night, or, you know, Lawrence O’Donnell or– or– I didn’t have to do that. I did the news as it came. And it was fun. I loved doing it. I loved it.

I mean I was tired at the end of the week. I was exhausted because I was doing six shows a week. I did the Sunday– the Sunday show, which was doing very well, but NBC decided they weren’t gonna continue it, but I think that was a mistake, obviously.

I don’t think there’s a market for a McLaughlin or something like that. I think people still love the fun of politics. They– it’s a little dreary watching these cable shows today. It’s just dreary. People know the answer. The favorite answer is always, I agree with you completely. That’s the answer. Whatever you say has the question built into it, and people say, that was a great question. I agree with you completely. Nobody argues anymore. Hardball is gone. There is no more argument. None.

ROSE: But don’t you have a new show on Substack?

MATTHEWS: Yeah, I’m doing it. I’m doing it. It’s– it’s different because I’m, I’m letting people like Terry Moran explain what he, what’s he he’s going through and what he thinks is connected to it, what he thinks 60 Minutes was–

ROSE: Explain who Terry is. He was a–

MATTHEWS: Terry Moran worked ABC since the 1990s. He was most of the time chief White House correspondent. He was, you know, straight reporter, that was the idea. And I want to know how 60 Minutes– George Stephanopoulos case, and all these cases are related. Are they all related? A lot of people think so.

ROSE: Well do you think so?

MATTHEWS: Well, fear and weakness. Weakness. Fear– fear of God, fear of Trump. It’s just fear him. It’s fear. It’s the most common emotion on the planet, you know? 

Well, I mean it’s Shari Redstone, these people want, they want money, I guess greed is part of it, but they don’t wanna – they don’t want to challenge the bully. I mean, they just, they’re afraid of the bully. I, I understand it.

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